World don't matter!

Joe wrote:

JoshingThySelf wrote:
Thought experiments exist. They are experiments in the form of thought.
Joe wrote:
Thought Fig Newtons exist. They are Fig Newtons in the form of thought.
an operation or procedure carried out under controlled conditions in order to discover an unknown effect or law, to test or establish a hypothesis, or to illustrate a known law
Fig Newton
a soft, cake-like cookie filled with fig jam

Khuno wrote:
Thermostats are psychologically conscious...primitive low level intentionality, but they have representational states.
Joe wrote:
Since Aristotle, an advanced, conscious mind is required to represent. Thermostats lack that which is necessary to represent, viz. consciousness. "a representation is a mental object with semantic properties (content, reference, truth-conditions, truth-value, etc.)" and "a hypothetical internal cognitive symbol that represents external reality." How can a god-damned thermostat evaluate "mental objects with semantic properties" or have "internal cognitive symbols that represents external reality"? Do thermostats REALLY consciously experience thoughts, beliefs, desires, perceptions, etc.?

Let this be known: I have never seen run-of-the-mill guys in their undershirts, standing under street-lamps, scratching themselves - muttering: "World don't matter! World don't matter! World don't matter!". Should this behavior begin to occur, we are finished as a species - because only the world ultimately matters.

Those making screw-ball claims: who (1) deny what exists in the universe (non-human mate preferences for ornaments) and fundamental, physical constants yet who (2) affirm that imaginary experiments exist and that thermostats "have representational states" register a uniquely high frequency of distribution in this nauseating barf-cult. The "world-don't-matter ideas" devoutly embraced here could not have been entertained (for very long) by our ancient ancestors - due to the presence of environmental feedback correcting them, their ideas and their behaviors in their own habitats.

Suppose that one of this cult's "world-don't-matter ideas" arose in a human 150K years ago. If a lion were crouching behind a tree, the ancient human closed in on and pointed at the lion, screaming: "You lion with your sharp canine teeth do not matter!", there would have been an enormous probability that he would have gone extinct. The conditions (the lion's jaws) in the environment would have corrected (ate) him. Burp!


What we seem to be drifting into is a fundamental classification of humans: those adapted-to-reality and those not-adapted-to-reality. Most ancient and modern humans fall into the former class. Some politicians, some religious kooks and all the celebrants of this Myspace, dislocation-of-the-mind cult fall into the latter.